Ludovic Courtès (Guix) is accusing Stallman of Thoughtcrime on his own domain GNU.org

Ludovic Courtès (Guix) accusing Stallman of Thoughtcrime

What did Ludovic Courtès do on the Guix website, which is part of the GNU Project website?

Defamation and slander of Dr. Richard Stallman, Founder of the GNU project

Ludovic Courtès (Guix) is accusing Stallman of Thoughtcrime. By using the same platform that was provided to him by chief gnuissance Dr. Richard Stallman, the subdomain guix.gnu.org on gnu.org domain, Ludovic Courtès is defaming and harassing Stallman for reasons of thoughtcrime (see the book 1984).

By that same act Ludovic Courtès abuses the Guix code of conduct and the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines as set in the community by Richard Stallman himself. They promise in the "Guix Code of Conduct" "Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences", but for reasons of finding few jokes offensive, they defame and slander Dr. Richard Stallman, the very founder of the GNU project where Guix operating system and the FSF from which Guix got more than US $100,000 donation. Imagine.

Ludovic Courtès Ludovic Courtès has a laughing and interesting personality in all his speeches. Ludovic produces free software and runs the Guix operating system project under the umbrella of GNU Project.

One interesting fact (to become) is that on none of his blogs, speeches or personal pages, he does not promote the free software philosophy. He likes free software, yes, he produces free software, but does not and never did public promotion of free software philosophy. Please help me if you think this statement is in some way wrong, try to find any speech, or article by Ludovic Courtès that is promoting the free software philosophy. Then let me know.

If Ludovic does not promote the free software philosophy, how then he can understand and properly credit Dr. Richard Stallman for the GNU Project and contribution to society? He cannot.

Ludovic Courtès never got it. He finds it proper to defame and slander Dr. Richard Stallman for reasons of few jokes and misleading coverages of his statements).

I don't know, but for me that is too much of a disgrace from Guix community towards man who have started GNU project, towards somebody they owe him so much.

Ludovic Courtès's defamation and slander of Dr. Richard Stallman

Here are meritless accusations of Dr. Richard Stallman by Ludovic Courtès and Thoughtpolice Squad.

Hatred, animosity and separation are products of Ludovic Courtès as of the October 2019.

His disgraceful statement was published on https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ whereby no prior discussion in Guix community have taken place. There was no "collective" statement, the "collective" have been initiated by Ludovic Courtès, and he is basically trying to get more and more people to join him so that GNU community can be divided.

How did those people get together to publish such statement? There are no references that I could find on the Guix mailing lists.

It is in contradiction to GNU Kind Communication Guidelines: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html where by it says: "The only political positions that the GNU Project endorses are (1) that users should have control of their own computing (for instance, through free software) and (2) supporting basic human rights in computing."

This small group of people are introducing other politics into a social betterment project such as it is GNU project, which was always meant to remain apolitical to anything else but the free software.

What is GNU.support domain?

My domain gnu.support is not connected or sponsored by FSF, neither it is part of GNU project. It is there to publish my opinions or maybe opinions of other people, I am welcoming opinions on every page of this domain.

It was not meant to speak about the Social Justice Warriors who try to divide the friendly GNU community. But yet I have to speak about that and reveal the true and hidden agenda from the top leaders of Guix operating system.

Did you ask for facts before writing this page?

I have asked Ludovic Courtès to state the facts that will prove and evidence their statement "that Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to." -- as such statement is baseless, fact-less, pure generalization and rumour.

References to his answers can be found on 2019-10-07 IRC log and 2019-10-08 IRC log. This same log is not accessible as of 2019-10-09 (504 Gateway Time-out). This page will be updated.

As of 2019-10-27 the Guix logs are not accessible. This may change in new point of time.

Does Ludovic Courtès and Guix allow people to comment?

Yet, Ludovic Courtès, is asking people to join him in such nonsense on the GNU.ORG domain, and he does not give people an option to comment on that page.

I have asked Ludovic Courtès to enable comments on his political blog that he publishes on Guix operating system, yet he justified himself that they have no option to enable comments on that blog. Pardon me. Hacker of the operating system that has no option to enable comments?!

The disgraceful statement gives impression that all GNU maintainers including the GNU project is against RMS, which is absolutely not true.

So Ludovic Courtès could not answer "which behavior over the years undermined a core value of GNU project to empower all computer users".

Ludovic Courtès could not provide any fact supporting his general statement.

He mentioned abort() joke, and Emacs virgins. One big X$%*&#X LOL!

They have clearly stated on the IRC logs that no comments will be allowed.

This page is response on their page. It is for the reason that defamation and slander is not appropriate on Guix pages which had to remain non-partisan project. This page is for reasons that no comments are allowed on their defaming statement. It is for reasons that none of them who made defamatory statements responded with any facts.

What thoughtcrime is Dr. Richard Stallman being accused by Ludovic Courtès?

Thus RMS is made guilty of thoughtcrime, harassed, and defamed on his own website GNU.org on the subdomain guix.gnu.org by his own project maintainer.

Yes, it is true that GNU.org domain belongs to FSF and FSF is organization, but those are legal matters. Legal entity is legal entity in the legal world. In the world of people, both the foundation FSF and GNU.org are creations of Dr. Richard Stallman, and are thus HIS OWN. It does not matter how he has organized the system of people and made legal entities to protect his creations. This does not matter. The domain is his own and it probably existed before the FSF was founded.

To publish his political opinions where Ludovic Courtès is defaming and harassing Richard Stallman on his own domain is disgraceful and shameful activity!

That would be like me to kick my own mother in her stomach.

Is Ludovic Courtès's denied free speech?

Do I bash Guix and Ludovic Courtès for their free speech? NO!

Not at all.

I do not mind what they are speaking and what is somebody speaking or thinking bad about RMS, me, or anybody else. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

The fact that defamation and slander are illegal acts in France and many other countries is different issue. If crime was committed that can be declared by courts. Yet, Dr. Richard Stallman is too kind to pursue that in courts. For that reason Ludovic Courtès is pretty much "safe" from any legal attacks.

But what I find really embarassing and disgraceful and immature act that Ludovic Courtès is publishing such defamation on RMS on RMS's GNU.ORG domain!

What I find embarassing, and not appropriate is that Ludovic Courtès, Ricardo Wurmus, Matt Lee, Andreas Enge, Samuel Thibault, Carlos O'Donell, Andy Wingo, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso, Mark Wielaard, Ian Lance Taylor, Werner Koch, Daiki Ueno, Christopher Lemmer Webber, Jan Nieuwenhuizen, John Wiegley, Tom Tromey, Jeff Law, Han-Wen Nienhuys, Joshua Gay, Ian Jackson, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, Andrej Shadura, Zack Weinberg, John W. Eaton, Jonathan Wakely, Siddhesh Poyarekar, Damian Rouson, David Malcolm, and Maciej W. Rozycki are participating in defamation of character of Richard Stallman on his own domain GNU.ORG.

They are participating in rumour based ruination of his character.

And I cannot find any trace if they ever asked RMS what is actually going on. As of 2019-10-09 they have not shown adult logic to verify what is going on, they simply participate in rumours and create hatred, animosity and enmity.

It is not the RMS.

Those people are now using GNU website to undermine the GNU project. They are doing more harm than good.

Defamation is illegal in many countries, which is especially illegal in France where Ludovic Courtès has his residency.

Ludovic Courtès is judge, attorney, and witness in the same time and he decides who is the jury and does not allow any public opinion. He invites and accepts the jury by his own.

He is abusing the kind and social behavior of Richard Stallman who is giving him the GNU.ORG subdomain to publish defamation against Richard Stallman.

He is harming RMS and harming the GNU project by providing such ridiculous baseless statements.

Ludovic Courtès and other people who joined in that statement are harming the Guix project too as they are making it political.

People are already resigning from support of Guix project. Is that the result that Ludovic Courtès wish to get?

Don't they understand that their own trust-worth is undermined by undersigning the fact-less statements, by accusing Stallman of thoughtcrime?!

I understand Ludovic Courtès as I understand he has personal pressure due to his relation to GNU project. I could only think that somebody mentioned to him about rumours on RMS and so Ludovic Courtès feels not conveniet to be in the GNU project, so he made his decision to disassociate himself from RMS. This is my impression and from that viewpoint I can understand himself and others. But that is not mature decision. It is decision based on thoughtcrime, fact-less judgment, against any human rights of free speech.

Is Dr. Richard Stallman entitled to free speech?

Stallman is entitled to free speech!

Humanitarian who always strived to teach other people of free speech is now accused for his own free speech!

Dr. Richard Stallman is not a criminal. Do not make him such on his own domain!

Publish your ridiculous statemtns on GUIX domain or some others, I could not care less.

What I hate is their hypocrisy, hypocrisy is that they accuse RMS of underminind GNU project, which has no foundation at all, while they are undermining their own GNU projects in the same time.

They are accusing RMS of what they are doing themselves.

Ludovic Courtès lacks the integrity and logical sense to distinguish between the GNU project and the fact that RMS is entitled to his opinions and that rumour that can happen to anybody in this world is rumour and not a fact, and shall not be used as fake evidence to make RMS guilty of thoughtcrime.

RMS did nothing wrong that could justify the statement justifies the Guix and Ludovic Courtès's statement "that RMS's behavior over the years undermined a core value of GNU project to empower all computer users".

He is publishing his articles and has his opinions on www.stallman.org website. Many of his opinions may be opposing to other people's opinions, so what? RMS is always kind and sticks to his integrity and policies.

His political opinions are separate and not published on GNU.ORG or FSF.ORG websites, contrary to what Ludovic Courtès is doing.

FSF or GNU.ORG maintainers NEED TO HAVE one responsible person who is to enforce the policies.

If only this policy below would be enforced, it would be fine for GNU.ORG and GNU software projects:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html where by it says: "The only political positions that the GNU Project endorses are (1) that users should have control of their own computing (for instance, through free software) and (2) supporting basic human rights in computing."

I would enforce that policy for GNU software and projects on GNU.ORG, but I cannot. I can only ask FSF and GNU and GNU supporters to enforce that.

Nobody shall be bashed for their opinions! While I am opposing their baseless opinion, I consider they are fully entitled to their opinion.

But using the GNU.ORG website to defame, harass and disturb RMS is out of this world!

Let Ludovic Courtès express his opinion on his own domain. Let him be whoever he is. I do not know who is he, as I would never do that to person like RMS who did good for mankind. I do not know that type of character.

Please sign the joint statement against defamation and harassment of RMS on GNU.ORG domain

Hereby, I the undersigner, who have contacted the gnu.support website, think that such political opinions of Ludovic Courtès should not have place on GNU.ORG website neither on Guix or free software websites, and that he, Ludovic Courtès shall stick tohttps://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/CODE-OF-CONDUCT Guix Code of Conduct and to principles that "The only political positions that the GNU Project endorses are (1) that users should have control of their own computing (for instance, through free software) and (2) supporting basic human rights in computing."

Additionally, I am recognizing that Dr. Richard Stallman is accused of thoughtcrime and is being defamed and harassed for reasons of thoughtcrime.

Please contact me, and tell me your opinion, I will publish it here how it is.

  1. Jean Louis, GNU Free Software Supporter, as 2019-10-09, https://gnu.support

  2. Sergey Matveev http://www.stargrave.org/

  3. Random Lamer, GNU user

  4. Trocatinta

  5. Christophe Poncy

  6. Evil Contractors

  7. Random Lamer

  8. Antonin Svoboda

  9. Jagadees

  10. Tadeus Prastowo

  11. KK

Numerous people are standing up in defense of Dr. Richard Stallman, please see the mailing lists:

  1. https://lists.globalcode.info/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/backtotheaugust@lists.globalcode.info/
  2. https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2019-October/thread.html

Please see the responses to defamation and slander of Dr. Richard Stallman:

  1. https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

  2. https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/

  3. https://fsforce.noblogs.org/

  4. https://backtotheaugust.org/

  5. Download video by using YouTube downloader: MIT scientist Richard Stallman taken down by vicious media smears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU

  6. Response by Dr. Richard Stallman: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Statements_about_Epstein)

  7. Respones on Slashdot: https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/09/14/2033212/richard-stallman-challenges-misleading-coverage-of-his-comments-on-marvin-minsky

  8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE

  9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKdEtdxQOss

Update as of 2019-10-09

Here is what people say about Ludovic Courtès on http://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/73074508/gnu-maintainers-wanting-stallman-out:

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Go tweet at them publicly. Do not break any rules, but they need to be publically shamed. Use their SJW tactics against them.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Trannies: Making autistic people kill themselves. I never had a problem with them before, but now I do.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Same here. I feel like they are just systematically making everyone hate them.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Yes, agreed. We should organize this and respectfully disagree with them on their Twitters

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

There's a reason nerds are so exclusive with their clubs.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Every single one of them is a pathetic piece of human garbage to me. They tolerated Stallman and worked with him, knowing how he is, and how the thinks about certain topics. Nothing is new in this shitshow. But they didn't said anything. They kept quiet. Until others said "muh it's wrong what he said" and now they're all against hin. Just pathetic liars. Not because I want to defend Stallman, but because they all used him and his work, until others start complaining about his behavior. Truly disgusting. Almost makes me use Closed Source Software.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

He's a genius and likely autistic. Who cares what he said? It had nothing to do with computing.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Stallman is a autist who was never corrected but protected by these people. What makes you think the people who supported, defended, and covered up for Stallman can still be part of an organization like GNU?

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

I wonder if they really don't realize how much they are excluding and humilliating socially awkward people

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Guile devs should just admit they are fucking useless and leave GNU, which should just adopt Racket. The idea of using a scheme based language in place of python or ruby was clever, but the devs were so shit they got btfo by racket mere two years after release lf Guile, then tried to get emacs devs to remake emacs in guile for them so they would be relevant, but predictably were told to fuck off every time.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

There is no problem. Who cares if he made some comment unrelated to computing? Retards like you would have "cancelled" Howard Hughes for being a freak. Geniuses are usually eccentric.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Why are you the speech police? Who cares? He's an autistic genius, of course he's eccentric.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

leave the poor man alone you horrible shit cunt

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Cult of personality? But his achievements aren't a ruse and he's a very accomplished academic as well as an undeniably genius programmer. Not sure where the cult part comes in exactly.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Will they step down when they make end up making someone uncomfortable?

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

They're not "influencers." They're spineless devs who expect praise for their backstab of RMS.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

And they want to fire him, which is retarded. RMS is on the spectrum and his weirdness is nothing new.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

This is it. I'm ceasing all my donations to GNU.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Why don't they just leave? Fucking nobodies

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

he's an accomplished public speaker, i don't buy this autism excuse, rms has never claimed to be autistic or dysfunctional

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

what a bunch of ungrateful cunts. RMS 4 ever.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Even if stallman is a cunt, there really is a concerted effort to destroy the Free Software movement

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Tweeting him publicly and shaming isn't as good as exodus of contributors, I'm sure more than a few contributors will be interested in knowing their project lead is participating in character assassination of the GNU/FSF founder RMS You want to wipe these fucking backstabbers out, wipe out their contributions by convincing contributors to leave the project You don't have to be crazy, just point out what is happening as many are probably unaware Maybe start your own counter "joint statement" with them

git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git
cd guix
git shortlog -s -e -n

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Get enough of them together and get Ludovic fired. Demand his resignation for attacking someone with a clear developmental disorder (autism) Bullies who attack people because they have autism or dyslexia or other disorders deserve to be fired

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

You know just how right Stallman is and how wrong these people are when they have to resort to outright lies in order to attack him. Pathetic, really. I hope Stallman removes these faggots from GNU, as he is still technically the head of the project.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

He said that victims of sex slavery may present themselves as willing to the people they are forced to have sex with. Not only is that entirely reasonable, it is also completely inoffensive to every single person.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

What these morons don't understand is that dedicated guys like RMS have no time for the petty social standards that teveryone seems to be so fond of nowadays.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

RIP GNU/Linux. These fucking assholes who are probably Microsoft shills have been waiting for their shot to corrupt and fuck over GNU/Linux for years and now they're getting their chance. It's over.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

RMS is way better than Jesus though.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

How is it possible that so many people blindly believe some hearsay-bullshit?

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Jesus knows that feel, I don't, but RMS must feel horrible right now. Imagine you spend you whole live doing good and when you're 66 years old, you wake up and suddenly you're a child rapist supporter, a women harasser and you smell bad - and you know that this is what people probably will think about you till the end of time. Did he deserve this? Did we deserve him? I'm depressed. Fuck this shit, I want a happy end.

Anonymous statement against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

It hurts. RMS must think his whole life is worthless. He fought for the good, but he'll be remembered as evil person. I can't cope with this.

Nmbb's comment from 2019-10-09 11:43:37

Journalists quoted RMS out of context to make him seem like some kind of villain. If people actually read the sources they would know this.

None's comment from 2019-10-09 15:48:16

Please just get your facts straight, Luis. This isn't helping GNU.

OK so here are the facts: - https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/ - https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

Trocantintas's answer from Trocatintas

The news cycle will eventually move on and these acts of jealousy, bigotry, ignorance and betrayal will be remembered by those who actually matter to the Free Software movement for what they truly were!

Christophe Poncy's answer from 2019-10-09 19:01:50

RMS is the man who lit the flame of free software in hearts, and GNU is the incarnation of that. And as a GNU user, their statement hurts me so my thinking is that they have to pursue their personal ambitions outside GNU.

Evil Contractor's answer from 2019-10-09 19:33:22

I suppose people acts like the pointed 'undersigners' should go away and enjoy political shit they are proposing somewhere in twitter or ... loony girl from salesforce will provide such place, I don't know. The point is - it's all not about GNU, and gnu.org isn't a place for a dummy war of social justice monkeys warriors. GNU is a mostly technical organization built for those who are ready to contribute (or use at least) to the free software, and that space doesn't have enough room for hysterical monkeys following modern leftist movement. Personally, I think that all this political shit over RMS is a way to split a community and to get more points for this stupid movement.

xyz's answer and my comments from 2019-10-09 19:40:04

Hi Jean Louis

I don't mean to offend you, but I perceive your writing as hysterical, and I think that's making you jump into conclusions without having gathered enough information about the reasons that led these people to sign and publish the "Joint statement on the GNU Project" in the Guix blog. I don't know the reasons myself, and would have liked if the blog post were more detailed.

Before publishing this, I have tried to gather facts. I have asked Ludovick and he said that abort() joke was the fact the he thinks it is enough to defame RMS. So that is not a fact. I have done my best in urgent manner to find the facts, I could not, there are no facts.

Are you aware of the private conversations of these people with RMS and other GNU people in the private GNU mailing lists

How can I be aware of private conversation? It is secret from public, thus it is conspiracy in its definition, a hostile take over of GNU project.

I wish those people to find their own platform and find their own money and not abuse FSF, GNU and RMS.

Also, although less important, do you exactly know why the Guix blog does not have a comments system

Because they do not want comments. See their answer here: http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-09.log

<jlouisgnusupport>kmicu: it is not a theory. It is conspiracy!
<jlouisgnusupport>While Guix people (Ludovic Courtès) disallowed commenting on the defamatory conspirative statements pretending to be opinion of all GNU maintainers, people are speaking out their voices: https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Courtès-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html -- so look what is happening, you are destroying Guix
<jlouisgnusupport>can Guix maintainers keep their opinions and defamation, or other illegal crimes outside of the GNU.ORG domain please?
<rekado>jlouisgnusupport: please stop the accusations here
<rekado>I know this is hard for you to understand, but here I say it again: there are no comments on the static blog at guix.gnu.org/blog; it’s not “disallowed”, it just doesn’t exist.
<jlouisgnusupport>I have no accusations. I never had. I am asking Guix to if possible stick to Guix code of conduct.
<jlouisgnusupport>rekado: so provide email address for comments, is it hard for hackers?
<jlouisgnusupport>you seem to be willing to allow comments, so can you allow comments and make sure they are published?
<rekado>no, I will not do that.
<jlouisgnusupport>that I value now more, as finally you speak out of your heart, and stopped pretending that you would allow comments when you do not allow comments. THANK YOU FOR TRUTHFUL ANSWER!
<rekado>yes, I’m not interested in publishing comments on the blog.
<rekado>ever.
<rekado>you’re welcome.

I think you are rushing to answer these questions and assuming bad faith without having enough information.

It is bad faith when person places defamatory statements without facts.

Random Lamer's comment from 2019-10-10 04:38:19

Andy publish his answare

:wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu

May be, not like it.

I'll be sign your petition, but I as simple GNU user.

Thank you Random Lamer. Here is my Answer to Andy Wingo from: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2019-10/msg00151.html

I am appreciating that you are publishing your opinions beyond the GUIX.GNU.ORG and GNU.ORG domains. That is how it shall be done.

For many years now, I have not considered Richard Stallman (RMS) to be the head of the GNU project. Yes, he created GNU, speaking it into existence via prophetic narrative and via code; yes, he inspired many people, myself included, to make the vision of a GNU system into a reality; and yes, he should be recognized for these things. But accomplishing difficult and important tasks for GNU in the past does not grant RMS perpetual sovereignty over GNU in the future.

All of his works in past do grant him all of the rights to continue with it as he wish. And for the case that he is not any more around, he has formed the FSF. Everything clear.

More on the motivations for the non serviam in a minute. But first, a meta-point: the GNU project does not exist, at least not in the sense that many people think it does. It is not a legal entity. It is not a charity. You cannot give money to the GNU project. Besides the manifesto, GNU has no by-laws or constitution or founding document.

It does exist, and it need not exist in your own legal framework, and there is something known as freedom of associations, so GNU project never had to exist as registered entity. FSF came somewhat later.

That does not invalidate GNU project. I am not sure from which country you are, but if you are saying that "project" or "organization" need to be legally registered then maybe you come from some limited or under developed country with fascist restrictions.

Even if some project is not registered, one can give money to it, I don't know which jurisdiction you are speaking about. If one wish to remain tax-free on donations, one can register a non-profit in the USA but simple registration does not make it tax-free, one has to prove the tax-free status by doing application to the IRS.

But that anybody in the world can receive donations that is a fact, and you cannot dispute it, you can tell it from your view point, but man I guess you are lacking some legal information.

One could describe GNU as a set of software packages that have been designated by RMS as forming part, in some way, of GNU. But this artifact-centered description does not capture movement: software does not, by itself, change the world; it lacks agency. It is the people that maintain, grow, adapt, and build the software that are the heart of the GNU project -- the maintainers of and contributors to the GNU packages. They are the GNU of whom I speak and of whom I form a part.

It is good if you express yourself as "GNU software supporters, programmers", something like that. Don't use GNU ot say "people", it is not quite adequate, try to express yourself as specifics as possible to avoid generalization.

Richard Stallman describes himself as the leader of the GNU project -- the "chief GNUisance", he calls it -- but this position only exists in any real sense by consent of the people that make GNU. So what is he doing with this role? Does he deserve it? Should we consent?

He is policy maker, chief planner. Without him, you would not have the GPL, copyleft, free software freedoms, books and articles, speeches on free software.

You maybe consider leader only if leader does what you think it is right to do. That is not how leadership works.

To me it has been clear for many years that to a first approximation, the answer is that RMS does nothing for GNU.

Then you are totally misinformed. If you think it is so, why not simply resign?

RMS does not write software. He does not design software, or systems. He does hold a role of accepting new projects into GNU; there, his primary criteria is not "does this make a better GNU system"; it is, rather, "does the new project meet the minimum requirements".

That is lie, nonsense. Everybody is free to decide when to write software or to organize the community to write it. You lack basic senses of observation. GNU, FSF, and majority of free software, including Linux kernel are free because it was incentive and original creation of Richard Stallman. Linus would never make it free, he said so, and he did not publish it as free. Many software pieces became free because of Richard Stallman.

If you cannot see his work, I would ask you to find other community to spread misinformation.

By itself, this seems to me to be a failure of leadership for a software project like GNU.

Absolutely not, but if you have serious disagreements, how about organizing your own project and forwarding free software?

To cut the story short, none of your opinions are the fact that prove "that Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to."

Do you have anything better?

Jean

Comment by Evil Contractor on 2019-10-09 19:33:22

I suppose people acts like the pointed 'undersigners' should go away and enjoy political shit they are proposing somewhere in twitter or ... loony girl from salesforce will provide such place, I don't know. The point is - it's all not about GNU, and gnu.org isn't a place for a dummy war of social justice monkeys warriors. GNU is a mostly technical organization built for those who are ready to contribute (or use at least) to the free software, and that space doesn't have enough room for hysterical monkeys following modern leftist movement. Personally, I think that all this political shit over RMS is a way to split a community and to get more points for this stupid movement.

Comment by Random Lamer on 2019-10-10 07:34:33

I looked you today writes some in a GUIX devel.

I'll be ask you, that's not right.

I'm not interesting of GUIX, because this a Nix. Sick. But, Shepherd and MES. However.

Your not right to push him to resign. Say is John Wiegley is useless. He work noting, but not such is Tromey by example.

Most importance is Andy, Ludo and may be Recado. What

Because RMS, because Guile. RMS planing future of GNU on top of Guile. He is him reply for TCL (former), JS and C# (now). Without Guile, not a future of GNU. Without fucking genius Andy, not a Guile. See Guile history. Far now Guile is vitality condition. Far now Guile come in new century. And lost Mark.

By the way. GNG still be UNG in hacker tradition. UNG is not GNU. See also EINE and more another. But I don't want to be realised. That is be strike over free software. GNU is strong only all be together.

Comment by Antonin Svoboda on 2019-10-10 15:36:00

I had been living with moderate aspergers ever since I was born. The worst thing about having mental ilness is that people expect you to act like you don't. I was inspired to get into computer science by the amazing work Richard Stallman had done on the GCC, Emacs and the Free software as a whole. Yet nowadays I see members of his own projects trying to oust him at the first chance they get, for something he didn't even say, and gossip about his mannerisms arising from his obvious autism spectrum disorder on twitter, like middle school bullies after class.

Richard Stallman was and is my idol, largely because of how he used his talent in spite of his social difficulties, for the betterment of computing and society as a whole. Seeing him discared like trash for the sake of predominantly policital goals fills me with disgust for the perpetrators.

Comment by Jagadees

Thank you sir for supporting Free Software users.

Comment by Tadeus Prastowo against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Hi Jean

I completely agree with this particular statement of yours

To publish his political opinions where Ludovic Courtès is defaming and harassing Richard Stallman on his own domain is disgraceful and shameful activity! That would be like me to kick my own mother in her stomach.

End quote.

You have stated the exact feeling caused by Ludovic's action really well: it is like kicking one's own mother in her stomach. Every family has its own weaknesses, but it is not an excuse to not respect our own parents.

I sign the joint statement against defamation and harassment of RMS on GNU.ORG domain.

Thank you for your support.

Comment by KK on 2019-10-12 04:52:46 against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS

Most of the joint statement is fine. Like

:"The GNU Project we want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom.

"Yes/great/fine/whatever.

But.

"We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the project."

This is where we part ways. Taken together with the rest, it's code that says you're spearheading an effort to sack RMS from his own project. A coup from within.

That's uncalled for. The gnu.support author is right. You're trying to depose RMS for thoughtcrimes.

I've only ever heard of two or three of the signatories, but my opinion of them just nosedived. They're the sort that give warriors for actual social justice a very bad name.

Comments by 'smee

Thanks for sharing, and I totally agree. I drop projects and companies that make the wrong moves, and using political correctness and public relations to direct a software project/movement is asinine and, the wrong move.

The ideas that RMS holds (with regard to software) will survive and thrive, because they are common sense for people who understand software. And software is all we should be discussing here.

When it comes to human rights and human dignity, let's remember that there are more Epsteins and Maxwells (and their clients) in the world, and stop worrying about policing software activists thoughts and words.

Comment by Xyz on 2019-10-12 20:05:23

Could you modify your page comment system so that it does not say that all the comments are "against Ludovic Courtès's defamation of RMS"? Some people's comments may actually be the opposite.

I have just duplicated it from Internet or published what people say. Some other people's comments may be opposite to those here, I am publishing reactions on defamation published on Guix operating system pages.

Also, I think you are accusing one person here, and on every other channel you've been posting to, and I think that is wrong, since the Guix post you are referring to is a joint statement, not an individual action. For that reason, I also think that posting the picture of Ludovic in your page is unnecessary and even inappropriate.

That is your opinion.

Comment by Balder Menugin from 2019-10-19 19:56:36

La hipocresia, la mediocridad y la estupided son las nuevas enfermedades del siglo XXI. Las personas con vision de futuro deben estar alerta. El mundo esta lleno de jueces y verdugos.

Hypocrisy, mediocrity and stupidity are the new diseases of the 21st century. People with a vision of the future must be alert. The world is full of judges and executioners.

Who are SJW or Social Justice Warriors?

A Field Guide to SJWs

Quotes from: https://www.amren.com/features/2015/09/a-field-guide-to-sjws/

"“SJW” stands for “social justice warrior,” which is approximately synonymous with: militant, politically correct ideologue. Or perhaps stridently leftist cultural Marxist. Or, as some of the whimsically inclined might say: noisome progtard.

The expression sprang from the blogosphere in recent years, as a way of describing “progressive” activists and keyboard crusaders. SJWs thrive on the internet, often in obscure and fetid corners–Reddit, 4chan, tumblr.com blogs–where disturbed youngsters share their taste for Japanese anime, sexual perversity, and science fiction/fantasy. SJWs also swarm in social media. They specialize in mass Twitter attacks and in filling the comments sections of Salon and Huffington Post and the Guardian with lurid, foul-mouthed smackdowns (“Teabagger! GFY!”) of anyone who expresses an opinion that is not left-of-left-of-center. At least they did until recently. HuffPo and other sites have ramped up their comment-screening because online advertisers don’t like filth."

What specifically makes a person a SJW?

Quotes from: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAskReddit/comments/56ace3/what_specifically_makes_a_person_a_sjw/

"They want to control culture, to infringe on individual freedom of people to make jokes or enjoy entertainment media, to make things which are ultimately harmless into essentially mortal sins."

SJW Attack Survival Guide

Quotes from: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/vox-day/sjw-attack-survival-guide/

"SJWs do not engage in rational debate because they are not rational and they do not engage in honest discourse because they do not believe in objective truth. They have no interest whatsoever in talking to you or trying to understand you, indeed, they will avoid you and do their best to minimize their communications with you while constantly talking about you and “explaining” the real meaning of your words and your nefarious true intentions to everyone else."

Social justice warrior

Quote from: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior#The_term_itself

"A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return."

What is wrong with the "Joint Statement on the GNU Project" as published by Guix maintainer Ludovic Courtès?

Here is what is wrong with the "Joint Statement on the GNU Project" as published by the Guix operating system maintainer Ludovic Courtès:

  1. GNU Project is apolitical, the only politics that GNU project promotes is free software politics and human rights in computing.

  2. FSF and GNU project must remain non-partisan for reason that non-profit corporations in USA shall remain non-partisan. Favoring even one politics in a non-profit corporation may destroy the status of being tax free and damage the Free Software Foundation.

  3. The statement says that it is Joint statement yet, the "Joint Statement" was published and edited several times, it was not jointly created, it was initiated by clique of few Social Justic Warriors who started dividing the GNU community for reasons that are beyond the free software politics.

  4. That statement has the title Under the pretence that it is about "GNU Project" while in fact it speaks about Dr. Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU Project. The statement gives appearance that something is wrong with the GNU project which have been shown to be huge success over the decades. In fact, these Social Justice Warriors are attacking personal and independent opinions of Dr. Richard Stallman.

  5. The statement as published on 7th October 2019, references to collective of GNU maintainers giving the appearance that those are "all of GNU maintainers", which is absolutely not true.

  6. The statement furher says: "We, the undersigned GNU maintainers and developers, owe a debt of gratitude to Richard Stallman for his decades of important work in the free software movement." -- if Dr. Richard Stallman really deserves debt of gratitude, then why Ludovic Courtès never thanked publicly to Dr. Richard Stallman? Why Andy Wingo never wrote anything about Dr. Richard Stallman and his "important work in the free software movement". Further, the statement about "his important work in the free software movement" is understating everything what Dr. Richard Stallman is. Dr. Richard Stallman is founder of the free software movement.

  7. The statement says: "Yet, we must also acknowledge that Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to." -- but does not give any facts how Dr. Stallman's behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project. It did not.

    What is hidden behind the words of "the empowerment of all computer users" is the feminist propaganda as promoted by Ludovic Courtès and other members of the Thoughtpolice Squad.

    References to Ludovic Courtès answers to provide facts can be found on 2019-10-07 IRC log and 2019-10-08 IRC log. This same log is not accessible as of 2019-10-09 (504 Gateway Time-out). This page will be updated. The logs have been duplicate as evidence for the future.

    civodul: you are unable to understand simple question and are asking me to stop talking? Dictator.

    jmarciano: do not call him a dictator please...

    jmarciano: Please stop insulting people.

    You've been asked again and again.

    So you 18 people insult Stallman, but you are not ready to receive insults?

    you've probably seen a number of events, like the "glibc abort joke" episode, the latest episode with MIT, and more

    THAT IS ALL WHAT LUDOVIC COURTÈS HAS TO SAY ABOUT "FACTS". The glibc abort() joke and the latest episode with MIThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU.

More quotes about Social Justice Warriors

"The Social Justice Warrior is best regarded as a sort of unpaid amateur propagandist. The reason SJWs are so inclined to make false assertions stems from a motivation that is very similar to that of the professional propagandist, which is the need to disregard existing reality in order to bring about the preferred alternative. In the case of the SJW-preferred reality, this nonexistent alternative is known as the Narrative. The Narrative is the story that the SJWs want to tell. It is the fiction they want you to believe; it is the reality that they want to create through the denial of the problematic reality that happens to exist at the moment. And there is no one definitive Narrative. Instead, there are many Narratives, all of them subject to change at any time, thereby requiring the SJW who subscribes to them to be able to change his own professed beliefs on demand as well.""

from SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police, Vox Day, 2015

"Being a social justice warrior means taking on a role in this unjust society in which you don’t ask for equality but instead, you demand it—and others see that as the “wrong tone.” People who think they are doing nothing wrong are going to be upset that we are telling them to change. People are not going to think these problems of inequality are significant because they have the privilege of it not affecting them. They will write us off as radical, overdramatic, and insignificant hypocrites. But social justice warriors must not change their “tone” to appease the oppressor. Oppressors must change, not the oppressed. Being an activist for justice—or a “social justice warrior” if they want to call us that—is about standing up to oppressors…The “wrong” tone is our tone. The wrong tone is the social justice warrior’s tone.""

from “On Being A 'Social Justice Warrior'”, Austin Bryan, June 10, 2015

"Their goal is power and domination over the Western cultural narrative to manufacture a consensus that is aligned with their extreme far-left ideology. Since their ideas are so far removed from science, logic, and reason, this requires a complete control of information to disseminate their world view along with the complete silencing of those who contradict them.""

from “What Is A Social Justice Warrior?”, RooshV, October 6, 2014

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